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		<title>By: edward skading</title>
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		<dc:creator>edward skading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Blogger,

Hello. 

My name is Edward Skading, from Selangor, Malaysia. I am writing for your viewpoint and support towards a good cause campaign to protect and uphold our consumer rights. 

I am being sued by an arrogant corporate company (F&amp;N Dairies (M) Sdn Bhd) because I exposed a horrible discovery concerning one of their products on my weblog. It is all about my shocking finding of an abnormal substance (mould) in a “Tea Pot” brand, sweeten condensed milk tin-can. You can read the full story (all the correspondence letters) and view photos of the contaminated milk and the disgusting hazardous conditions of F&amp;N Dairies’ plant at my weblog http://consumersrighteousness.blogspot.com/.

As a consumer, I am sickened by the fact that we are not provided utmost protection from this sort of situations and whatever consumer rights we have now are defenceless. I also feel that my human rights had been deprived when I am being forced to silence and on top of all, I feel cheated when the company executive responded to my grievances that they are not liable for damaged products in the marketplace.
 
I am only requesting that the company be truthful, reliable and accountable for their mistakes, moreover produce cleaner and safer food. I believe, it is the responsibility of our whole society to protect the rights and benefits of consumers, and all concerned parties should together strive to do the work of standing up for consumer rights, improving the consumption environment, and pushing for faster, better economic and social development.

I sincerely hope you will cover my story on your weblog and tell it to the world. I would greatly value and appreciate your kind support.

If you wish to contact me, please send an email to eddskading@hotmail.com. 

Thank you.

Yours truly,

Edward Skading</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Blogger,</p>
<p>Hello. </p>
<p>My name is Edward Skading, from Selangor, Malaysia. I am writing for your viewpoint and support towards a good cause campaign to protect and uphold our consumer rights. </p>
<p>I am being sued by an arrogant corporate company (F&amp;N Dairies (M) Sdn Bhd) because I exposed a horrible discovery concerning one of their products on my weblog. It is all about my shocking finding of an abnormal substance (mould) in a “Tea Pot” brand, sweeten condensed milk tin-can. You can read the full story (all the correspondence letters) and view photos of the contaminated milk and the disgusting hazardous conditions of F&amp;N Dairies’ plant at my weblog <a href="http://consumersrighteousness.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://consumersrighteousness.blogspot.com/</a>.</p>
<p>As a consumer, I am sickened by the fact that we are not provided utmost protection from this sort of situations and whatever consumer rights we have now are defenceless. I also feel that my human rights had been deprived when I am being forced to silence and on top of all, I feel cheated when the company executive responded to my grievances that they are not liable for damaged products in the marketplace.</p>
<p>I am only requesting that the company be truthful, reliable and accountable for their mistakes, moreover produce cleaner and safer food. I believe, it is the responsibility of our whole society to protect the rights and benefits of consumers, and all concerned parties should together strive to do the work of standing up for consumer rights, improving the consumption environment, and pushing for faster, better economic and social development.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope you will cover my story on your weblog and tell it to the world. I would greatly value and appreciate your kind support.</p>
<p>If you wish to contact me, please send an email to <a href="mailto:eddskading@hotmail.com">eddskading@hotmail.com</a>. </p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Yours truly,</p>
<p>Edward Skading</p>
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		<title>By: Hoppoe Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoppoe Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how close is this italiano with the vatican?</description>
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		<title>By: wudan</title>
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		<dc:creator>wudan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright Johann?

Thanks for the explanation on the pre-emption rights thingy. We shall leave it as it is then. I have no further comments to add on the issue. It was nice having this conversation with you. 

All the best in your endeavour. Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright Johann?</p>
<p>Thanks for the explanation on the pre-emption rights thingy. We shall leave it as it is then. I have no further comments to add on the issue. It was nice having this conversation with you. </p>
<p>All the best in your endeavour. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: wudan</title>
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		<dc:creator>wudan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johann &amp; MFZ,

june posted the above info at Che Det but it just got drowned in all the &#039;noises&#039; made there but it was a significant piece of information to me. I can understand the way things are at Che Det.

One of the often asked question is &#039;why proton did not have open bidding for the sale?&#039;

Because Castiglioni have pre-emptive rights clause in the shareholders agreement with Proton. That means you have to offer those shares back to him first. Castiglioni started by offering 57.75% to Proton then Gevi and now he has offered Harley 95%. I suppose the shaholders agreement with Harley also have pre-emptive clause. Maybe Proton can try again to acquire 100% of MVA by 2010 when Najib takes over. Tengku Mahaleel, don&#039;t throw away Castiglioni contact number yet.

That is not counting the failed deal when he first offered 20% of MVA to Piaggio in 2001 that then got MVA into administrative control.

&lt;em&gt;Wudan,

I am afraid the question about the absence of open bidding will remain and validly so.

The existence of a preemption clause should not have prevented Proton from conducting an open bidding for their stake, if they had wanted to. The bidding will not be ultra vires the agreement between Proton and Castiglioni because the latter will still have the right of first-refusal to match the price secured by Proton in the process. If Castiglioni does not match that price, then Proton will have the right to sell to a third party. That’s how preemption rights work. The buyer cannot hold the seller to ransom.

I still think the pressure to end the ‘marriage’ was so great that GEVI’s willingness to take on the frozen debts and the working capital requirement was accepted with relish. We think there is something fishy between GEVI/Castiglioni but at the end of the day it was Proton’s call what price they would accept.
 
But was the board really wrong to act with such haste? Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Consider the fact that MVA made a loss of Euro 34.50 million in 2007 and nothing seems to suggest that the situation will improve in 2008.  So let us assume a loss of about the same magnitude in 2008, i.e. a total loss of around Euro 70 million for two more years of ownership and every euro funded by Proton. Again, I say that Castiglioni leads a very charmed life.

Now, what would Proton have gotten out of the sales had it remained a 57.75% shareholder? 

We know the sale of MVA to Harley Davidson yielded US39 million to Castiglione (and his two friends). If Proton had remained a 57.75% shareholder in MVA, its share of the US39 million will amount to only US23 million, or Euro 14.50 million.

Thus to balance out the loss for the two additional years of ownership (and assuming Proton will also sell as the founder has done!), the sale of Husqvarna to BMW earlier must produce a yield to Proton of Euro 55.50 million. The total yield, so Claudio and two other Italians will get their share, would need to be Euro 96.0 million. The deal, as we are told, was Euro 92 million and we don’t know how much of that was assumed debt.

In conclusion,the proceeds from the sales would have been negated by the working capital outflows. Most of the folks at Chedet will never understand this because they do not see the working capital requirements. They will, however, willingly believe there were US800 million from a bankrupt company. They see the assets and great brand names and forget about the liabilities.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johann &amp; MFZ,</p>
<p>june posted the above info at Che Det but it just got drowned in all the &#8216;noises&#8217; made there but it was a significant piece of information to me. I can understand the way things are at Che Det.</p>
<p>One of the often asked question is &#8216;why proton did not have open bidding for the sale?&#8217;</p>
<p>Because Castiglioni have pre-emptive rights clause in the shareholders agreement with Proton. That means you have to offer those shares back to him first. Castiglioni started by offering 57.75% to Proton then Gevi and now he has offered Harley 95%. I suppose the shaholders agreement with Harley also have pre-emptive clause. Maybe Proton can try again to acquire 100% of MVA by 2010 when Najib takes over. Tengku Mahaleel, don&#8217;t throw away Castiglioni contact number yet.</p>
<p>That is not counting the failed deal when he first offered 20% of MVA to Piaggio in 2001 that then got MVA into administrative control.</p>
<p><em>Wudan,</p>
<p>I am afraid the question about the absence of open bidding will remain and validly so.</p>
<p>The existence of a preemption clause should not have prevented Proton from conducting an open bidding for their stake, if they had wanted to. The bidding will not be ultra vires the agreement between Proton and Castiglioni because the latter will still have the right of first-refusal to match the price secured by Proton in the process. If Castiglioni does not match that price, then Proton will have the right to sell to a third party. That’s how preemption rights work. The buyer cannot hold the seller to ransom.</p>
<p>I still think the pressure to end the ‘marriage’ was so great that GEVI’s willingness to take on the frozen debts and the working capital requirement was accepted with relish. We think there is something fishy between GEVI/Castiglioni but at the end of the day it was Proton’s call what price they would accept.</p>
<p>But was the board really wrong to act with such haste? Hindsight is a wonderful thing.</p>
<p>Consider the fact that MVA made a loss of Euro 34.50 million in 2007 and nothing seems to suggest that the situation will improve in 2008.  So let us assume a loss of about the same magnitude in 2008, i.e. a total loss of around Euro 70 million for two more years of ownership and every euro funded by Proton. Again, I say that Castiglioni leads a very charmed life.</p>
<p>Now, what would Proton have gotten out of the sales had it remained a 57.75% shareholder? </p>
<p>We know the sale of MVA to Harley Davidson yielded US39 million to Castiglione (and his two friends). If Proton had remained a 57.75% shareholder in MVA, its share of the US39 million will amount to only US23 million, or Euro 14.50 million.</p>
<p>Thus to balance out the loss for the two additional years of ownership (and assuming Proton will also sell as the founder has done!), the sale of Husqvarna to BMW earlier must produce a yield to Proton of Euro 55.50 million. The total yield, so Claudio and two other Italians will get their share, would need to be Euro 96.0 million. The deal, as we are told, was Euro 92 million and we don’t know how much of that was assumed debt.</p>
<p>In conclusion,the proceeds from the sales would have been negated by the working capital outflows. Most of the folks at Chedet will never understand this because they do not see the working capital requirements. They will, however, willingly believe there were US800 million from a bankrupt company. They see the assets and great brand names and forget about the liabilities.</em></p>
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		<title>By: wudan</title>
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		<dc:creator>wudan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE DEAL 
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GEVI is an investment holding company organized and existing under the laws of Italy and having its registered office at Via Corsica 216, 16128, Genova, Fiscal Code 01600410995. 

GEVI will assume these liabilities: 
(a) Restructured Frozen Debts amounting to EUR106.94 million, 
and 
(b) Working Capital requirements amounting to EUR32.50 million 

The Proposed Disposal is not expected to have any effect on the earnings, net assets, share capital nor shareholdings of PROTON. 

Inter alia, the salient terms of the agreement are: 

(a) The Purchaser is to open an escrow account with Banca Carige S.p.A, Genova, Italy for the sum of EUR500,000.00 to secure: 
(i) the timely opening and funding of the Second Escrow Account; and 
(ii) subject to the fulfillment of the Conditions Precedents and to the performance of the actions set out in the agreement, the occurrence of Repayment on the Closing Date. 

Should the actions mentioned above are not timely complied with by the Purchaser, Proton Capital Sdn Bhd shall be entitled to withdraw the money from the First Escrow Account and terminate the Agreement. 

(b) On or before 18 January 2006, the Purchaser is to open a Second Escrow Account with Banca Carige S.p.A. for the sum of EUR15.0 million to secure the obligation of the purchaser to subscribe and pay the capital increase in MVA. 
The agreement is subject to conditions precedents to be obtained not later than 15 February 2006. 

Inter alia: 

(a) adoption by the shareholders at an extraordinary general meeting of MVA with the unanimous vote of all shareholders’ of a resolution allowing the Purchaser to purchase the said shares from Proton Capital Sdn Bhd and further subscribe for the capital increase in MVA. And subsequent thereat, to approve the amendment to the articles of association of MVA; 

(b) waiver in writing by other shareholders of MVA of their pre-emptive rights in connection with the transfer of shares from Proton Capital Sdn Bhd to the Purchaser; 

(c) termination of the shareholders’ agreement executed on 26 November 2004; 

(d) termination of the shareholders agreement executed on 25 November 2004; 

(e) termination of the service agreement executed on 26 November 2004; 

(f) Husqvarna AB to release Proton Capital Sdn Bhd from all obligations as contained in the Husqvarna Augusta Agreement executed on 29 October 2004; 

(g) delivery to MVA of a letter to be executed by several banks (as identified in the Agreement) whereby the Banks declare that they fully agree with the exercise of the voting rights by Claudio Castiglioni for adoption of the resolution and the waiver by Claudio Castiglioni of the pre-emptive rights mentioned above; 

(h) execution by Proton Capital Sdn Bhd and each of the shareholders of MVA and the Banks of an agreement whereby they settle and waive their eventual claims vis-a-vis Proton Capital Sdn Bhd and they declare to the maximum possible extent not to have any claim at any title vis-a-vis Proton Capital Sdn Bhd any other entity of Proton Group and the directors and statutory auditors of MVA appointed by Proton Capital Sdn Bhd and they waive their rights to sue them, for any title whatsoever; and 

(i) obtaining of antitrust authorization from competent Italian authorities. 
—————————————————— – 

I must credit june of sembang-kopitiam.blogspot.com for this June did a search on google and found this article on InterNet Bankruptcy Library</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE DEAL<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
GEVI is an investment holding company organized and existing under the laws of Italy and having its registered office at Via Corsica 216, 16128, Genova, Fiscal Code 01600410995. </p>
<p>GEVI will assume these liabilities:<br />
(a) Restructured Frozen Debts amounting to EUR106.94 million,<br />
and<br />
(b) Working Capital requirements amounting to EUR32.50 million </p>
<p>The Proposed Disposal is not expected to have any effect on the earnings, net assets, share capital nor shareholdings of PROTON. </p>
<p>Inter alia, the salient terms of the agreement are: </p>
<p>(a) The Purchaser is to open an escrow account with Banca Carige S.p.A, Genova, Italy for the sum of EUR500,000.00 to secure:<br />
(i) the timely opening and funding of the Second Escrow Account; and<br />
(ii) subject to the fulfillment of the Conditions Precedents and to the performance of the actions set out in the agreement, the occurrence of Repayment on the Closing Date. </p>
<p>Should the actions mentioned above are not timely complied with by the Purchaser, Proton Capital Sdn Bhd shall be entitled to withdraw the money from the First Escrow Account and terminate the Agreement. </p>
<p>(b) On or before 18 January 2006, the Purchaser is to open a Second Escrow Account with Banca Carige S.p.A. for the sum of EUR15.0 million to secure the obligation of the purchaser to subscribe and pay the capital increase in MVA.<br />
The agreement is subject to conditions precedents to be obtained not later than 15 February 2006. </p>
<p>Inter alia: </p>
<p>(a) adoption by the shareholders at an extraordinary general meeting of MVA with the unanimous vote of all shareholders’ of a resolution allowing the Purchaser to purchase the said shares from Proton Capital Sdn Bhd and further subscribe for the capital increase in MVA. And subsequent thereat, to approve the amendment to the articles of association of MVA; </p>
<p>(b) waiver in writing by other shareholders of MVA of their pre-emptive rights in connection with the transfer of shares from Proton Capital Sdn Bhd to the Purchaser; </p>
<p>(c) termination of the shareholders’ agreement executed on 26 November 2004; </p>
<p>(d) termination of the shareholders agreement executed on 25 November 2004; </p>
<p>(e) termination of the service agreement executed on 26 November 2004; </p>
<p>(f) Husqvarna AB to release Proton Capital Sdn Bhd from all obligations as contained in the Husqvarna Augusta Agreement executed on 29 October 2004; </p>
<p>(g) delivery to MVA of a letter to be executed by several banks (as identified in the Agreement) whereby the Banks declare that they fully agree with the exercise of the voting rights by Claudio Castiglioni for adoption of the resolution and the waiver by Claudio Castiglioni of the pre-emptive rights mentioned above; </p>
<p>(h) execution by Proton Capital Sdn Bhd and each of the shareholders of MVA and the Banks of an agreement whereby they settle and waive their eventual claims vis-a-vis Proton Capital Sdn Bhd and they declare to the maximum possible extent not to have any claim at any title vis-a-vis Proton Capital Sdn Bhd any other entity of Proton Group and the directors and statutory auditors of MVA appointed by Proton Capital Sdn Bhd and they waive their rights to sue them, for any title whatsoever; and </p>
<p>(i) obtaining of antitrust authorization from competent Italian authorities.<br />
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<p>I must credit june of sembang-kopitiam.blogspot.com for this June did a search on google and found this article on InterNet Bankruptcy Library</p>
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		<title>By: limbo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The writers seems so pessimistic about our malaysian ability......&quot;But what made them think that Proton, already struggling in their own backyard in their car business , could turnaround MVA when even the Italian family could not?&quot;....this is really Malaysian thinking......if somebody cannot do it.....so do we!!!  To be honest, I dont expect that kind of word from my own race.....What a stupid crap you&#039;re talking about.....am not Pro Mahathir, Anwar or even Najib.....but your mentality just like 3rd grade country mentality......Sorry to say that!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writers seems so pessimistic about our malaysian ability&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;But what made them think that Proton, already struggling in their own backyard in their car business , could turnaround MVA when even the Italian family could not?&#8221;&#8230;.this is really Malaysian thinking&#8230;&#8230;if somebody cannot do it&#8230;..so do we!!!  To be honest, I dont expect that kind of word from my own race&#8230;..What a stupid crap you&#8217;re talking about&#8230;..am not Pro Mahathir, Anwar or even Najib&#8230;..but your mentality just like 3rd grade country mentality&#8230;&#8230;Sorry to say that!!!</p>
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		<title>By: MFZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MFZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Times Online article:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article4319192.ece</description>
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<p><a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article4319192.ece" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article4319192.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: MFZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MFZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear wudan,

Your expose has greatly enhanced my understanding of this issue. Unfortunately people especially those on Chedet.com still has their heads stuck in the sand.

I assume the people there are still confused, thinking that Agusta the helicopter maker is the same as Agusta the motorcycle maker, or Husqvarna the offroad bike maker is related to Husqvarna the chainsaw maker (my uncle used to own a Husqvarna chain saw for his rubber plantation).

Also, he linked an article to The Times Online to justify his position. Unfortunately he didn&#039;t elaborate on a particular line in said article, and I quote,&quot;...Harley shares fell 2.4 per cent to $32.88. A year ago they were changing hands at more than $62.&quot; 

This line came right after a description of MV Agusta&#039;s recent history, so I don&#039;t know if the purchase of MV Agusta itself was the cause of HD&#039;s share price tumbling down.

The current issue of CycleNews has an interview with HD&#039;s CEO on the purchase of MV Agusta here: 

http://www.cyclenews.com/testride/latestissue.html 

(the related article is page 8 of this online e-magazine, link may be dead as it is a trial issue).

Why don&#039;t you send a few of these related articles to various blogs and see if people will stop and think instead of blindly believing anything.

&lt;em&gt;MFZ,

I think the fall in  HD share price from 60s to 30s would be largely due to the downturn in sales with the US economy in poor shape. The last sentence of the article says they do not even know when the bad news will stop!

The drop of 2.4% after the deal was announced also does not surprise me. Here you have HD already not performing well in sales and the share price down by 50% in one year and suddenly it buys a loss making brand (famous no doubt but not making money) and pile on more debt in the process. I&#039;m sure some investors do not like the look of things and hence they sell their shares in an already bearish market.

Johann
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear wudan,</p>
<p>Your expose has greatly enhanced my understanding of this issue. Unfortunately people especially those on Chedet.com still has their heads stuck in the sand.</p>
<p>I assume the people there are still confused, thinking that Agusta the helicopter maker is the same as Agusta the motorcycle maker, or Husqvarna the offroad bike maker is related to Husqvarna the chainsaw maker (my uncle used to own a Husqvarna chain saw for his rubber plantation).</p>
<p>Also, he linked an article to The Times Online to justify his position. Unfortunately he didn&#8217;t elaborate on a particular line in said article, and I quote,&#8221;&#8230;Harley shares fell 2.4 per cent to $32.88. A year ago they were changing hands at more than $62.&#8221; </p>
<p>This line came right after a description of MV Agusta&#8217;s recent history, so I don&#8217;t know if the purchase of MV Agusta itself was the cause of HD&#8217;s share price tumbling down.</p>
<p>The current issue of CycleNews has an interview with HD&#8217;s CEO on the purchase of MV Agusta here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cyclenews.com/testride/latestissue.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyclenews.com/testride/latestissue.html</a> </p>
<p>(the related article is page 8 of this online e-magazine, link may be dead as it is a trial issue).</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you send a few of these related articles to various blogs and see if people will stop and think instead of blindly believing anything.</p>
<p><em>MFZ,</p>
<p>I think the fall in  HD share price from 60s to 30s would be largely due to the downturn in sales with the US economy in poor shape. The last sentence of the article says they do not even know when the bad news will stop!</p>
<p>The drop of 2.4% after the deal was announced also does not surprise me. Here you have HD already not performing well in sales and the share price down by 50% in one year and suddenly it buys a loss making brand (famous no doubt but not making money) and pile on more debt in the process. I&#8217;m sure some investors do not like the look of things and hence they sell their shares in an already bearish market.</p>
<p>Johann<br />
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		<title>By: wudan</title>
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		<dc:creator>wudan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to share this article with you and your readers.

Alan Cathcart wrote in Motorcycle Sport &amp; Leisure magazine in early 2008

…. According to Italy’s leading financial paper II Sole 24 Ore, MV Agusta’s 2007 balance sheet showed a EUR 34.47 million net loss on a turnover of EUR 141.3 million – a situation which the sale of its Husqvarna dirtbike subsidiary for a reported EUR 92 million, was supposed to have helped redress. However, Gevi is understood to have pocketed the entire sales proceeds of this sale, a move which it may be presumed greatly dismayed MV Agusta president Claudio Castiglioni, whose family continues to own 37.25% of the company’s equity, alongside legendary designer Massimo Tamburini’s 2% and the 3 % balance still held by Swedish conglomerate Eletrolux, former owners of Husqvarna motorcycles. Castiglioni is understood to have believed that, in return for negotiating the sale of Husqvarna with BMW, a substantial proportion of the net proceeds would be reinvested in MV, to fund the development of several new models as part of the Company’s 2008-2013 business plan. These include the next generation replacement for MV’s 10 years old F4 model line-up and a new three cyclinder line-up which Massimo Tamburini has already design, and a range of Cagiva single to be manufactured in India by Kinetic. But with the cash to pay suppliers running out, MVA has again stopped production of its F4 1000 sportsbike range, while Castiglioni seeks to hatch the latest in his line of rescue plans for the marque ”. 

Let’s asked a hypothetical question. What would have Proton done face with this situation by 2007? Continue bleeding hard EURO or do a “GEVI”?

&lt;em&gt;Wudan,

Thank you for bringing our attention to this article.It blends in very well with our understanding of the situation at MVA. 

As I noted in my article, the working capital requirements by MVA in FY2007 is likely to be in excess of RM100 if the amount written off in FY 2006 (RM136 million) may be used as a guide. The information you provided means the figure would have been in the region of RM160 million.

Like I said, the Proton board must have had nightmares over this funding and if Proton had not sold, the net loss of Euro 34.5 million (about RM175 million) would have to be included in the consolidated loss of the Proton for FY2007. That would have been difficult to explain to shareholders and the public. People will ask what investment strategy is at work in Proton to purchase a company that makes huge losses after the acquisition. Besides, the accounting standards will require disclosure of the contingent liabilities as well and thus the incredulous questions on why Proton had issued a guarantee for the debts of MVA incurred in the past for just 57.75% control. The actions of the board members are difficult to explain. What were they doing? Alas, it would seem that Tengku Mahaleel will remain the only scapegoat in this saga. Not that he does not deserve to be booted out.

In my reply to an earlier comment you made, I said that Gevi will be handsomely rewarded  out of the proceeds from any deal on MVA. Little did I realise they will swallow the whole lot from the sale of Husqvarna to BMW. But that&#039;s the nature of such deals; high risk compensated by high rewards, if any. And there were Euro 92 million. 

The question I have about this news is how did Gevi pull off such a stunt (bagging the entire Euro  92 million). The reason I ask is that the relevant assets (the physical equipment and the intellectual property rights on the brand) will all have been charged to the lead lenders. In other words, they would have to agree to Gevi taking all of it.

Thus, I think, the 92 million was also dealt in the same way as the sale of what&#039;s left of MVA  to Harley-Davidson. Part of it would be assumed debt (lenders are thus protected) and the rest to Gevi (the reward) while Claudio waits for his turn. It is pure speculation but it sounds reasonable.

I suppose we will never get to know know how Claudio and Gevi had actually intended to share the spoils. It could be possible that Claudio was not too careful in the terms of agreement with Gevi or the split of Husqvarna to Gevi and the rest to Claudio may have been preplanned. Whatever the case, there is only one fool - PROTON.&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to share this article with you and your readers.</p>
<p>Alan Cathcart wrote in Motorcycle Sport &amp; Leisure magazine in early 2008</p>
<p>…. According to Italy’s leading financial paper II Sole 24 Ore, MV Agusta’s 2007 balance sheet showed a EUR 34.47 million net loss on a turnover of EUR 141.3 million – a situation which the sale of its Husqvarna dirtbike subsidiary for a reported EUR 92 million, was supposed to have helped redress. However, Gevi is understood to have pocketed the entire sales proceeds of this sale, a move which it may be presumed greatly dismayed MV Agusta president Claudio Castiglioni, whose family continues to own 37.25% of the company’s equity, alongside legendary designer Massimo Tamburini’s 2% and the 3 % balance still held by Swedish conglomerate Eletrolux, former owners of Husqvarna motorcycles. Castiglioni is understood to have believed that, in return for negotiating the sale of Husqvarna with BMW, a substantial proportion of the net proceeds would be reinvested in MV, to fund the development of several new models as part of the Company’s 2008-2013 business plan. These include the next generation replacement for MV’s 10 years old F4 model line-up and a new three cyclinder line-up which Massimo Tamburini has already design, and a range of Cagiva single to be manufactured in India by Kinetic. But with the cash to pay suppliers running out, MVA has again stopped production of its F4 1000 sportsbike range, while Castiglioni seeks to hatch the latest in his line of rescue plans for the marque ”. </p>
<p>Let’s asked a hypothetical question. What would have Proton done face with this situation by 2007? Continue bleeding hard EURO or do a “GEVI”?</p>
<p><em>Wudan,</p>
<p>Thank you for bringing our attention to this article.It blends in very well with our understanding of the situation at MVA. </p>
<p>As I noted in my article, the working capital requirements by MVA in FY2007 is likely to be in excess of RM100 if the amount written off in FY 2006 (RM136 million) may be used as a guide. The information you provided means the figure would have been in the region of RM160 million.</p>
<p>Like I said, the Proton board must have had nightmares over this funding and if Proton had not sold, the net loss of Euro 34.5 million (about RM175 million) would have to be included in the consolidated loss of the Proton for FY2007. That would have been difficult to explain to shareholders and the public. People will ask what investment strategy is at work in Proton to purchase a company that makes huge losses after the acquisition. Besides, the accounting standards will require disclosure of the contingent liabilities as well and thus the incredulous questions on why Proton had issued a guarantee for the debts of MVA incurred in the past for just 57.75% control. The actions of the board members are difficult to explain. What were they doing? Alas, it would seem that Tengku Mahaleel will remain the only scapegoat in this saga. Not that he does not deserve to be booted out.</p>
<p>In my reply to an earlier comment you made, I said that Gevi will be handsomely rewarded  out of the proceeds from any deal on MVA. Little did I realise they will swallow the whole lot from the sale of Husqvarna to BMW. But that&#8217;s the nature of such deals; high risk compensated by high rewards, if any. And there were Euro 92 million. </p>
<p>The question I have about this news is how did Gevi pull off such a stunt (bagging the entire Euro  92 million). The reason I ask is that the relevant assets (the physical equipment and the intellectual property rights on the brand) will all have been charged to the lead lenders. In other words, they would have to agree to Gevi taking all of it.</p>
<p>Thus, I think, the 92 million was also dealt in the same way as the sale of what&#8217;s left of MVA  to Harley-Davidson. Part of it would be assumed debt (lenders are thus protected) and the rest to Gevi (the reward) while Claudio waits for his turn. It is pure speculation but it sounds reasonable.</p>
<p>I suppose we will never get to know know how Claudio and Gevi had actually intended to share the spoils. It could be possible that Claudio was not too careful in the terms of agreement with Gevi or the split of Husqvarna to Gevi and the rest to Claudio may have been preplanned. Whatever the case, there is only one fool &#8211; PROTON.</em></p>
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		<title>By: wudan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can conclude a few things from here.

After singking EUR 70 million and assuming the liabilities for the Restructured Frozen Debts amounting to EUR 106.94 million and further working capital requirements, by end of 2005, MVA still require more working capital funding.

At this point, the decision is actually quite simple. Sell MVA or continue funding it until MVA returns to profitability. We know the decision and Proton&#039;s loss, like you put it,   is at least RM504 million.

For the benefit of your readers, Gevi did not buy 57.75% of MVA for one EUR. It cost them EUR 139.44 million (106.94 + 32.50) plus one Euro. 

With this information, if Proton did not sell MVA, then it may have to pump in EUR 32.50 million for 2006 operations. Start paying the Rectructured Frozen Debts. While they are doing that, the EURO have appreciated to 5.13</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can conclude a few things from here.</p>
<p>After singking EUR 70 million and assuming the liabilities for the Restructured Frozen Debts amounting to EUR 106.94 million and further working capital requirements, by end of 2005, MVA still require more working capital funding.</p>
<p>At this point, the decision is actually quite simple. Sell MVA or continue funding it until MVA returns to profitability. We know the decision and Proton&#8217;s loss, like you put it,   is at least RM504 million.</p>
<p>For the benefit of your readers, Gevi did not buy 57.75% of MVA for one EUR. It cost them EUR 139.44 million (106.94 + 32.50) plus one Euro. </p>
<p>With this information, if Proton did not sell MVA, then it may have to pump in EUR 32.50 million for 2006 operations. Start paying the Rectructured Frozen Debts. While they are doing that, the EURO have appreciated to 5.13</p>
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